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What the Hell am I Watching?

Carson Honeycutt: Founder | Veteran Mentor & Career Coach | Veteran Hype Man

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“The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong.”

– Carl Jung

“What the hell am I watching?” These words ran through my head when I recently attended a Veterans’ Transition Webinar. Why? Because I had just witnessed one of the worst pieces of transition “mentoring,” from one of the “top voices” in the transition industry.

So what happened? I’ll tell you.

During this webinar, a group of leaders from a well-known organization provided a webinar where they field questions from transitioning service members after giving a presentation. The idea was to allow service members to ask sticky questions regarding their transition back to the civilian world of employment.

What I witnessed, instead, was a travesty. Here’s how it went down.

At one point, the presenters came to an individual who had questions about securing informational interviews. For those who are unfamiliar with informational interviews know that they are essential to career transitions but tricky if you’ve never done them. Most service members must be up to speed on interviewing someone for information. Any transition member worth their salt should know that. Our service member was no exception.

So the line of questioning from the three moderators begins, and it looked something like this:

Service Member: I’m really struggling with informational interviews because I don’t know who to ask, how to ask them, and what to ask when I get one scheduled.

Moderator 1: What industries are you looking at?

Service Member: I don’t really care about the industry; I just want to make sure I end up in a productive role.

Moderator 2: What job titles have you evaluated?

Service Member: I’ve evaluated a few, but I’m not really sure what I’m looking for.

Moderator 1: Ok, well, what would you like to do?

Service Member: I just want to help people.

Moderator 3: EHHHHH WRONG. You need to have a list of industries with specific job titles that you want to evaluate before you can even begin asking for informational interviews. What you’re saying is not specific enough…(Long-winded explanation with no action steps commences)… Sorry, I’m not trying to be mean here, but you have a lot more homework you need to do.

Service Member: Oh, ok. Well, thank you, everyone, for your help.

Moderators: You’re welcome.

(Moderators move on to the next questions)

I was so pissed off that I had to walk away from my computer. I can tell you from experience that when someone says I’m struggling with confusion and they are at the beginning of their transition process, a diagnostic line of questioning is necessary. Where they missed, specifically Moderator 3, is when they got to the question, “what do you want to do” and the service member said, “I want to help people.”

This answer is the EXACT answer I pray for when someone comes to me looking for mentorship. This EXACT answer makes me devote so much time to helping service members transition back to civilian life. You hear that very rarely outside of the veteran population. I wait for that answer with bated breath because if they give me that answer, I have found another rockstar mentee who will do the work. I know, without a doubt, that their “why” will be strong enough to make them a Titan.

These Moderators, however, shit all over it. They took the exact answer any mentor begs for, ripped it up, spit it out, and then gave a half-assed apology for being idiots. Instead of going down that rabbit hole with the service member, they told the service member you don’t know shit, you’re doing it wrong already, and you are so far off we have to get aggressive with you.

So the question remains: what the hell was I watching?

What I was watching is what I have watched repeatedly during my time as a transition mentor. Well-intentioned zealots (WIZOTs) spewing Conventional Transition Wisdom (CONTRADOM) in the form of canned one-size-fits-all advice dispersed across a broad swath of service members with no actionable insight, no follow-up and no tact.

It’s total bullshit.

I hear you asking: ok, smart guy, what would you have done? I’ll tell you.

The moderators should have helped the service member tease out who exactly they want to help. So instead of “EHHHH WRONG!” They could have done the following:

Service Member: I just want to help people.

Moderator: What people do you want to help?

Service Member: (Answer that probably lists a few different types of people they would like to help)

Moderator: What’s the significance for you in helping people like that?

Service Member: (Answer that probably discusses the desire to continue serving out of uniform, but on their terms)

Moderator: Where can you find people like that?

Service Member: (Answer that probably includes a geographic location)

Moderator: What industries and organizations serve those people?

Service Member: (Answer that probably says “I’m not sure”)

Moderator: How would you go about looking?

Service Member: (Answer that probably says “I’m not sure.”)

Moderator: Who have you spoken to about this besides me?

Service Member: (Answer that probably says “no one.”)

Moderator: Ok. We’re off to a good start. We know you want to help ____ people. We understand why you want to help them. We know where these people are. What we need to know is where to find employment related to that. Here’s your homework:

  1. Using LinkedIn. Find 5-10 Organizations serving those individuals (take 1-2 hours)
  2. What industries are those organizations in? Use your best guess; if you aren’t sure, we can follow up, and I’ll help you figure that out.
  3. Find five people at each organization whose roles sound interesting to you or that stand out in some way. Take 1-2 hours to do this.
  4. Put all of this information into the spreadsheet I will email you after this webinar.
  5. Use this link for 30 minutes on my calendar 1-2 weeks from now so we can download it.

Can you see the difference? The webinar I saw grilled that service member and likely embarrassed them in front of their peers with no foreseeable help in the future. The service member was defeated.

Using the model I recommend above, we can teach service members how to empower themselves and dominate their transitions instead of waiting for crumbs to be distributed to them by the almighty LinkedIn influencers.

So why don’t more “transition” organizations take this approach? Because it’s sticky, it’s philosophical, and time-consuming, and no vanity metrics are associated with my recommended method. These larger organizations are also obsessed with efficiency over effectiveness.

Think about that the next time you allow an expert to take up room in your head. There’s a cost associated with hearing bad advice. If you’re a transitioning service member or a veteran, do not let the B.S. of CONTRADOM spewed by WIZOTs bog you down. Be careful about what the hell you’re watching.

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Carson Honeycutt

Founder – Veteran Mentor and Career Coach

No veteran should feel like civilian life is purgatory. It’s my job to help professionally ambitious post-9/11 veterans avoid entrapment in transition purgatory by challenging the B.S. of Conventional Transition Wisdom.

I challenge the B.S. of Conventional Transition Wisdom by breaking down the mindsets, strategies, and tactics of world-class experts (Titans) to help veterans compress the transition learning curve.

Learning directly from Titans helps veterans escape entrapment by avoiding the costly mistakes encouraged by Conventional Transition Wisdom.

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Deciphering a Job Description

Perceptions of Veterans and Why We Need to Move Away From Awareness Campaigns
Brad Scardino, Recruiter and former Sergeant and CH-53 Crew Chief – USMC

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“[I]t is unwise to waste [time] chasing positions that won’t work out.”

– Brad Scardino

You’ve found it. Someone posted your dream job online, and you know this is the one. You’ve gone over the job description twice, and you know you are qualified because you have done everything asked for in the post. In fact, not only have you done it all, you are the ideal candidate. Dare you say the unicorn. You apply within the first 30 minutes [because, of course, you have those job alerts coming straight to your inbox]; with the amazing resume, you paid some expert $50 to write [please don’t ever do that btw] with a perfectly tailored cover letter. Then…nothing ever happens. You never hear from the company. Not even a rejection.

What happened? Why didn’t they even tell you why you were not selected. Well, there can be a great many reasons as to why. There is a lot more to job posts and job descriptions than one might realize. 

In this article, I peel back the curtain of the recruiting and hiring world a bit to help you understand what factors are at play. My goal is to provide you a different lens with which to view job descriptions.

One thing that you will have to do is, to be honest with yourself. Do not think you are a good fit for some position because you WANT to be a good fit for it. Or even because you could do it if you put your mind to it. Instead, be critical of yourself and do your best to measure your experience against the job description from the company’s point of view. After all, they are the ones you have to convince you are a right for the role, not yourself. In the end, it will be up to you to use the analytical side of your brain to determine whether a job is a good fit. 

When looking at a job description, you are trying to find out the company’s motivations. Here are a few key things you should consider:

Why has this job been posted? 

Is this position going to support a strategic initiative for the company? Did someone go on a maternal/paternal or some other form of long-term leave? Do they need help to meet a deadline? Is it contract, contract to hire, or full-time? 

Research news articles and trade magazines to see what is going on in the company. Talk with friends who may have a connection there. Look at the company website and see what other jobs they have posted in the same business unit. 

Is this a real job? 

This question is perhaps the most important question a recruiter tries to determine when working with a client. It may surprise you to know that a company WILL waste its own time. Meaning, the company may not truly intend to hire for this position for one reason or another. Sometimes companies are just gauging interest, or they are legally required to post the job. This situation may happen even when they have already identified and selected a candidate. It could be that a manager just needs to appear to be searching for good candidates. Maybe there is a desire to hire someone, but they don’t have the budget for that particular position. 

If you find this job posted on some obscure website or only the company page, it is unlikely to be a critical need. However, if you see it on the company page, LinkedIn, Indeed, Glassdoor, and a recruiter has contacted you about it, then it’s a safe assumption that it’s a “real” job with a strong need to hire. Similar to how a company will qualify you as a candidate, you should be qualifying the position as well. To be clear, most job posts are real. It’s just that you don’t want to waste your time pursuing a ghost. 

What are they really looking for?

It could be that HR is writing a job description for a position where they have no clue what is needed. They could have just pulled a generic description from the company website or somewhere else on the interwebs. Sometimes the manager isn’t even sure themselves what they need until they begin interviewing candidates. 

On top of considering the job description’s explicit needs, it is important to read between the lines and think about what they want. If the qualifications state someone must have some soft skill, think about why they call it out. If the company is larger and there are others in this role, use LinkedIn to find a little more out about who they have already hired for that role. 

When do they want to have the position filled?

It’s entirely possible no candidate may be looked at until the company has received some arbitrary minimum number of candidates. Or maybe only the unicorn candidate will do. On the other hand, sometimes companies know of hiring needs in the future [as in several months from when the job is posted], known as “future opportunity” positions, and want candidates to apply simply to make the future outreach easier. 

See how long the job has been open compared to similar positions at the company and in the industry. Look at how long they typically keep a job open until they fill it. 

To determine the answers will require some investigating. By looking at the company’s website, social media, job boards, and doing a basic Google search, you will be surprised at how much information you can collect. It won’t take you long, maybe 10-15 minutes, to do a cursory look to see if you should investigate further. It could be appropriate and possible to get in contact with the HR department in some situations before you apply and ask them directly. 

It may be that you can’t, and in fact, many times won’t find out the answers to all of these questions. However, what you find out in pursuit of the information will provide you a great deal of insight. Furthermore, the more intelligence you gather, the better positioned you will be in knowing the answer to the ultimate question you should ask yourself when you see that perfect job: 

Should I apply? 

You may have heard that it is best just to apply, regardless of how qualified you are [or aren’t], because “the worst they could say is no” or “you never know what could happen.” Is it possible that you could be completely unqualified, but they want you anyways? Sure. Anything is possible. The thing is, it is not probable. It’s possible for me to be a professional model, but I’m still waiting on that call back from GQ, though. 

Why is it bad advice to just apply to every job which you could or would do? I’m glad you asked. Your time is a precious resource for starters, and it is unwise to waste it chasing positions that won’t work out. It is best to spend more time per position you choose to pursue than to spend a little time on many positions. The more positions you apply to, the better IF you target the right ones.

Ultimately there are two approaches to job hunting; mass applies and precision. Meaning, shotgun your resume to any position for which you are even remotely qualified OR taking your time with each position and only applying for positions you want to do at a company you like. Each approach has its merits and place. If you are just looking for your next job, then the shotgun approach may indeed be the right approach for you. However, I wholeheartedly believe in focusing on the precision approach, which I recommend to my friends. It will take more time, but I have consistently found that the extra time spent is well worth it. The best place to be is having multiple companies interested in you, and that is where I am trying to help you get. 

But I digress. Should you apply? I can’t tell you if you should apply to a certain position based on hard and fast rules. There are so many factors that I can’t cover all in this article. My intention has been simply to help you see the entire picture of what a job description is. 

That said, below are some general guidelines I go by when considering if and how I would apply to a position or when advising candidates. 

Gather Intel: 

  • Research the company and previous positions it has posted. As I mentioned before, you should search on LinkedIn, Indeed, Glassdoor, the company website, and their social media and do a Google search at a minimum before you even consider applying. 
  • Find the company’s motivation and find out about their culture to make sure you would actually fit in or even want to be there. 
  • Look at similar jobs all over the country and in different industries to familiarize yourself with trends. 

Know the Objective [of the position]: 

  • The most relevant duties/skills to what the company needs will be listed at the top of the description. Typically the top three are going to be what is required of a candidate. If you don’t have at least one of the top three, even if you have the bottom 99, don’t waste your time.
  • The length of the experience typically doesn’t matter so long as the skill mastery is there. The primary exception here is government agencies.
  • If there are soft skills mentioned, they are very important. Many times these are what determine the hiring decision amongst similarly qualified candidates.
  • Preferred typically means required unless no candidates with that skill are applying. 

Fire for Effect:

  • Tailor your resume to EVERY job application. I know and don’t care that it takes more time. Do it anyway. 
  • Resumes could be a whole article unto itself. But, for now, the simplest way to do this is to create a master resume with everything you have done at each company. Then, when applying for a job, you do two things:
    • First, take out what isn’t relevant [except to prevent a gap in employment]
    • Second, move what the company you are applying to is most interested in [per the job description or your intelligence gathering] to the first few bullet points under each position you have held
    • Bonus: Because I know this is a hot question, don’t worry about keeping the resume to one or two pages. I find two to be the sweet spot, but there is a lot of “it depends” on the right length. The key is to follow the first two points above. So, if you can’t quite get it to two pages, don’t sweat it. 

Accomplish Your Mission:

  • Don’t stop applying to jobs just because you have not received an answer on the one you want the most. 
  • Apply to as many jobs as you can concurrently, so long as it makes sense based on the above advice.
  • Engage with recruiters at the agency and corporate levels. They are a wealth of knowledge about companies, the industry, and trends. Recruiters can gather intel you would never be able to, AND they can communicate with managers on your behalf. 

Some Interesting Facts About Job Descriptions

  • There are federal guidelines that companies are legally obligated to comply with when posting a job. However, small companies do not [always] have to follow the same guidelines. 
  • They are used to classify what type of employee the position will be [exempt/non-exempt, occupational classification, full-time/part-time].
  • If you cannot perform the functions of the job, the company has every right to let you go. Again, though, if you’re in a right-to-work state, they can let you go for any reason or no reason at all.
  • They can be used for determining promotions. Were you able to do the tasks you were supposed to? If not, what makes you think you are justified in asking for a promotion [or raise]?
  • If necessary, they justify why the company picked the candidate they did for the government. 
  • They are used to disqualify applicants. Oh, you only have four years and eleven months of the skill we asked for five years of experience? Well, that’s the reason we didn’t select you. It’s not because you used a whole bottle of Axe before you walked in here. Or that we saw you picking your nose in the waiting area. Or that we just don’t like you but can’t put our finger on why. 
  • That said, for federal positions especially, agencies actually will disqualify you for only having four years and 11 months of experience where they call for five years. So you won’t even get to the interview stage. 

Note that these are not true 100% of the time but are often true. 

Please comment and let me know what you think and if you found the information helpful.

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Brad Scardino

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Brad is a person who knows things and has done stuff. Words, words, words. Military experience. Yut Yut.


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    Perceptions of Veterans and Why We Need to Move Away From Awareness Campaigns

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    “We keep focusing on our damage instead of focusing on our potential.”

    – Carson Honeycutt

    Veterans have a serious issue on our hands, and our continued emphasis on mental health awareness campaigns is doing more harm than good.

    Don’t believe it?

    Check out the research for yourself:


    SELECTED LINKS

    • https://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/GY6_Infograph_Perceive911Vets_Final-192×1024.png
    • https://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/16011/americans-are-viewing-veterans-all-wrong/
    • https://www.slideshare.net/EdelmanInsights/2016-veterans-wellbeing-survey
    • https://www.huffpost.com/entry/post-911-vets-mental-health-issues_n_6115900
    • https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/06/recent-war-vets-face-hiring-obstacle-ptsd-bias/2057857/
    • https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/sites/default/files/Veterans%20in%20the%20Workplace_0.pdf
    • https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/10/the-changing-face-of-americas-veteran-population/
    • https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/11/profile-of-u-s-veterans-is-changing-dramatically-as-their-ranks-decline/
    • https://www.census.gov/topics/population/veterans.html

    BOOKS MENTIONED

    • Struggle Well: Thriving in the Aftermath of Trauma
    • Posttraumatic Growth Workbook: Coming Through Trauma Wiser, Stronger, and More Resilient

    PEOPLE MENTIONED

    • Ken Falke
    • Josh Goldberg
    • Richard Tedeschi
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    Carson Honeycutt

    Founder – Veteran Mentor and Career Coach

    No veteran should feel like civilian life is purgatory. It’s my job to help professionally ambitious post-9/11 veterans avoid entrapment in transition purgatory by challenging the B.S. of Conventional Transition Wisdom.

    I challenge the B.S. of Conventional Transition Wisdom by breaking down the mindsets, strategies, and tactics of world-class experts (Titans) to help veterans compress the transition learning curve.

    Learning directly from Titans helps veterans escape entrapment by avoiding the costly mistakes encouraged by Conventional Transition Wisdom.

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